EP024 – What are the best #WordPress forms in 2016? – #WPblab
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Form plugins we talk about on this episode:
Show Notes:
This week on WPblab Jason Tucker, Bridget Willard speak with James Laws and Josh Pollock about their WordPress Form Plugins. They share a brief history about each and compare and contrast on the features each provides. We spend some time discussing the other players in this space and breakdown the pricing models and what lead them to go with the fremium model (Free core plugin, paid addons).
Form plugins we talk about on this episode:
Link List:
- WordPress Forms Plugin – Ninja Forms WordPress Form Creation Plugin
- Caldera Forms – Drag and drop responsive form builder — WordPress Plugins
- Downloads Archive – Ninja Forms
- Caldera Forms Add-Ons – CalderaWP
- Sending Email with Mailgun – WP Ninjas
- wpMandrill — WordPress Plugins
- Stud or Dud? 4 Ways to Spot Quality WordPress.org Plugins – WP Ninjas
- Easy WordPress Contact Form Plugin – WPForms Lite — WordPress Plugins
- Build and Analyze: Please, Go to Starbucks – Marco.org
- Instapaper Set to Be the Free Starbucks ‘App Pick of the Week’ | iPhone in Canada Blog – Canada’s #1 iPhone Resource
- Freemius – Monetization for WordPress Plugin Developers
- Ninja Demo – The only complete demo solution for WordPress!
- Front-End Posting – Ninja Forms
- Front-End Editor – Ninja Forms
- Caldera Forms Custom Fields – CalderaWP
Was that the count down to the count down?
hahaha
Welcome @jameslaws !
Thanks, @MichaelOzer!
yeah looks like it was
6:0
5:35
Total random countdown
Definitely made by a man 😀
I know on some of the videos every one that was watching had to click start and not just the host
Hey, welcome @kstover !
Hello everybody.
It’s alright! Going to try and not wake a baby.
@kstover welcome!
Ninja Forms is the best, obviously. 😉
Of course, I may be a little biased.
ask a question by typing /q and your question
Hi Ninja Kevin.
@Josh412 hola
Hey Josh.
What’s up?
Hey, @Josh412
oh god
just finished my dinner…
Hi @jameslaws
too legit to quit
@Josh412 How was Atlanta?
just burn it all
@adamfout2 lol
@pcgs dogs
Good Stuff!
@kstover It was a lot of fun.
Good evening all.
literally swimming in dog puke
Nice.
@adamfout2 Ya. Poor Chloe Dog.
so robusty
Lolol
Robust FTW
such robustness
quarterly blabbing is up
@adamfout2 blab ftw
I hear it
Also, most laid back WC, I’ve been to in a long time.
@Josh412 cool
It’s in and out
More words
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Words…
Some words
east coast represent!
whew
┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
I’m braving tornados AND the late night for y’all
@Kathrynclang oh wow
@josh412, after you, sir!
@kstover Well – it is Alabama . . . so it is kind of SOP for spring 😉
*Wave*
@kstover Hola Kevin.
Ha! We’re TN, so we’ve had some heavy winds today. Nothing approaching tornadoes, yet, though.
My son always starts yelling “my bubbles”
@Kathrynclang lol
Ha!
My APM is very high. 🙂
https://ninjaforms.com
https://wordpress.org/plugins/caldera-forms/
All-in for LIFE
FOR LYFE
https://ninjaforms.com/extensions/
https://calderawp.com/caldera-forms-add-ons/
if you have a question for any of our guests type /q and your question
CNBC and Red Sox 🙂
@Cape_Dave right
@kevinwhoffman 😀
I came for the monthly plug Josh episode.
If you can’t have fun and laugh then why bother
James says: “So I have this idea…”
@kstover lol
And then I say: No. That’ll never work.
and kevin rolls his eyes
Then I come back later and say “Well, maybe if we….”
@kstover You’re funny.
@kstover Impossible is fun:)
And then I create a Proof of Concept and get bored. 😛
@kstover #truth
Wait a minute….
James is definitely the Garfunkel. 😛
@RealResultMedia perhaps it’s not a GF issue. I use GF a lot also and never had problems with email notifications.
@kevinwhoffman lol
I call dibs on Paul Simon
where’s roy when you need him
+1
if you have email problems i feel back for you son
I share this WP Ninjas reference for Mailgun several times a week: http://wpninjas.com/sending-email-with-mailgun/
OK – Can you point me to proven process to fix this ?
@RealResultMedia See link above.
cool – thanks
is there a list of good replacements?
Mailgun and SendGrid get a lot of love
Roger that.
https://wordpress.org/plugins/wpmandrill/
Mandrill was the go-to until they changed their pricing model
WO8d it be fair to say that WP(mail) should simply be replaced on general principles?
WordPress folks are AMAZING
and blab is all about sharing
@YouTooCanBeGuru welcome to the cool world 🙂
so WordPress and Blab is a great mix
@emanweb Thank you
FormCamp 2017
¯_(ツ)_/¯
BB FTW!
on Fridays Bridget transcribes emails by hand into mailchimp
LOL
lol
@kevinwhoffman lol
hidden fields for tracking lead sources
@kevinwhoffman oooooooooooohhhhhhhh
@RealResultMedia Thank you for coming. 😀
Your a great Gang – Glad I found this today
then @jasontucker shares to linkedin
another example… tracking which Facebook ad someone clicked on by using URL parameters
@kevinwhoffman wow
we use hidden fields to track lead sources from ads and calculate ROI on each ad
@kevinwhoffman nice. You’re pretty smart.
current page hidden fields are great for tech support
@kevinwhoffman Sounds great.
Thanks guys – great to know that even the masters don’t know everything 🙂
@kstover Good point.
Forums put the burden of knowledge on the user to know what their problem is.
They often know the symptoms but not the actual problem.
Forums are good for power users and not as good for normal users.
They have tons of content indexed on Google from theirs forum that is closed for 3 years now I think
Gravity Forms + Help Scout integration has been awesome for tagging support requests on the way in. Not sure if you guys have Help Scout add-ons.
@kevinwhoffman WordImpress/Give uses HelpScout now.
@kevinwhoffman We do!
site:gravityhelp.com/forums = About 57,400 results
Cool, I’m seeing a lot of WP plugin companies going to Help Scout
@kevinwhoffman 🙂
Dang.. I’m late
@heyadamsilver Thanks for coming here. 😀
Agree with @Josh412. Again, support forums put way too much burden of knowledge on the average user.
@kstover As a beginner, it’s overwhelming. 🙂
@jameslaws #Cabo! 🙂
Twitter
Reviews
not to harp on help scout, but the combination of help docs, email support, and the ability to quickly organize and delegate emails in the dashboard is awesome
@kevinwhoffman No, I’m sure you’re right.
@kevinwhoffman – We don’t use Helpscout because they don’t have a major feature we need: priority.
We currently use Desk.com
WordPress.org needs a +1 (vote up) for people who leave reviews a la Amazon.com to validate the reviewer.
GitHub that.
@kstover Ah yeah that is a bummer. We use tags to sort of make up for that.
We went Help Scout last week. FTW!
I’m sure you’re dealing with larger quantities than us though 🙂
Among other things.
active installs is better.
@kevinwhoffman Yeah. Desk has automatic priority bumping. So, we can track how long a user has been waiting on an answer.
but active on a site isnt the same as really using!
@heyadamsilver It’s not?
wp.org plugins should also have a “response time” from devs.
Welcome @n0x_dg !
nope.. i’ve seen sites with form plugins installed.. with no actual forms in use.
@n0x_dg welcome!
they’ve tried it.. left it installed.. but not in actual use
@emanweb But that would depend on a .org support system, which most devs want to get away from
I read those pinned posts!
Thanks Adam!
I’m an outlier !
@Josh412 u bet!
Exactly
for that they could have: response time = see dev forum.
or support site
@jameslaws say it aint so!
lol
zing
CLI –> FTW
😉
Re: Finding good plugins on WordPress.org: http://wpninjas.com/4-ways-to-spot-quality-plugins/
ultimate first world problem – the GUI is too pretty.
of time or money
usually both
It “WAS” easy.. and is .. on a scale of 1-10…. to a “3” .. then its a learning curve.. and INVESTMENT
@heyadamsilver It is an investment.
These WordPress.org reporting/data issues have given rise to products aimed at developers like Freemius
yep. better mindset vs expense
props to me. 🙂
@Josh412 Pipedream!
@jameslaws Is that really why though or is it to hide their otherwise GPL code behind a wall?
@jameslaws did you just call people -inassas?
https://wordpress.org/plugins/wpforms-lite/
It’s also not as cute as Ninja Forms Three. 🙂
Ninja peeks!
i’m as cute as toejam
🙁
@kevinwhoffman I don’t think it’s because it helps hide the code.
@heyadamsilver – You mean like Toejam and Earl?
@kstover It can certainly be a benefit though. You’re not at risk of a knockoff being thrown up on github.
@kstover nice pull.. but was referencing actual toe jam!
@heyadamsilver http://orig05.deviantart.net/8cb7/f/2008/310/b/b/toejam_jammin_by_mistressofcows.png
@kstover ya. i know of it.
@kevinwhoffman I can’t speak to the intentions of all companies, but all of our source code is already on GitHub, and from our experience, that’s not ever been an issue.
https://marco.org/2012/06/04/build-and-analyze-80
@Josh412 looking forward to testing it.. its on my list . for the podcast.
http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/app-store/instapaper-set-to-be-the-free-starbucks-app-pick-of-the-week/
🙂
😉
SHE SAID SquareSpace.. everyone drink
@heyadamsilver lol
@jameslaws ^
Freemius FTW
@Josh412 FTW
https://freemius.com/wordpress/
Freemius
@kevinwhoffman – I agree. If we go SaaS, that won’t be our motivation. Again, we’ve never experienced any negatives from being open.
and didnt ninja want to sponsor KSWP? 🙂 ? 🙂
up down up down left right….
#CaboPress discount!
@kevinwhoffman – Our customers aren’t developers who are surfing GitHub for repos.
@jasontucker I see what you did there. 🙂
@kstover and I love that as a user and member of the WP community, but I think SaaS has been used by some to get around the openness of the GPL
@kevinwhoffman I was wondering how SaaS will affect plugin development
JUSTINBAILEY
Someone pays. Even in the open source community, someone pays.
(im dating myself here)
Everyone has to eat, even open source developers.
what? WordCamps speakers dont get piaid?
*paid?
@heyadamsilver They get plaid.
LOL
lol
It’s also an organically grown system. If you created this from whole-cloth today, would it look the same? Who knows?
PLAID isnt in accordance with Code of Conduct… !
@heyadamsilver lol
There are no conflicts of interest…nothing to see here…move along..
#FreshMeat
also not part of Code of Conduct
*Cough* WordPress.org featured plugins *Cough*
JetPack will soon come bundled with a CMS!
@kstover oh wow
plaid, whole-cloth, i’m lost
@heyadamsilver lol code of conduct
It’s actually French.
its actually OrdPress
from the website….
Pronunciation: “Zapier” makes you “happier” 🙂
Zapie-hz
ohh i was correct
I should release the Zapier admin we never had a chance to QA.
@jasontucker once a year!
Zpz
Zs
#NinjaDemo!
https://ninjademo.com
I am a happy Ninja Demo user
need to try that out also..
for review/podcast
49’ers — 2019.. superbowl…
😉
@heyadamsilver oh wow. I’m saying that wrong like GIF
@YouTooCanBeGuru NOO!!! Don’t stir the pot!
@kstover lol
@YouTooCanBeGuru Image result for pronounce gif
The debate over how to pronounce GIF, which stands for Graphics Interchange Format, re-emerged this week when Steve Wilhite, the inventor of the widely used Web illustration, declared it should be pronounced “jif,” like the brand of peanut butter, rather than with a hard G sound.May 23, 2013
@heyadamsilver I say JIF
@heyadamsilver – Jokes on him, I pronounce the Jiff peanut butter brand name with a hard G.
@kstover ya
https://ninjaforms.com/extensions/front-end-posting/
https://ninjaforms.com/extensions/front-end-editor/
and to balance it out… I dont
https://calderawp.com/downloads/caldera-form-custom-fields/
😉
YES!
Seems Legit
#Legit
As a guy who’s getting ready to launch a few wp sites, this is awesome!
#2Legit
still gotta write my prezo!
for WCSD!
or I’ll just replay an older Blab episode
And then @jameslaws gets busted for his domain name comments. 😛
#MazelTov
Conga Rats!
woops sorrry late q
and on that note.. I’m audi
lol
#Rookie
and 5 sliders, 2 galleries and 2 SEOIs
Good night all, great show, gotta bounce! C U next week.
@Cape_Dave wow see you next week. Thanks.
peace out.
Good show!
Rtock on.
@jameslaws nice beard!
Rock on. Gotta continue my typing lessons 🙂
i’m playing the harmonica
living the dream!
rated x blab now about WP 🙂
devinbalram: New work office set up. #wpninjas #ninjaforms #officespace cc: @wpninjas https://t.co/6blP2H9eVx
gotta jet… bar mitzvah planniing time with wife!
ttyl.
@jasontucker do you think blab is better then google hangout?
LOL
I guess the whole week to fix it
they have
where they should improve?
great show! thanks guys
Thanks! Talk to everyone later!
Gravity Forms takes a lot to beat. With maybe Caldera Forms a close second.