EP317 – WordPress Communities – same, same but different

it was a very one this is Jason taken this is Debbie P. water cooler episode number three hundred and seventeen this particular episode is brought to you by is repressed makers of desktop server to check them out over its repressed dot com Hey how's it going Ellen tells about yourself I am a calendar so in I started a word press agency many moons ago and now have become they've ordinator for elegant beans so that's what I do work for us nice good to have you on %HESITATION and there's that little thing that little thing you do call great Campion yeah and I mean it is %HESITATION of the word yeah no big deal that's one of the biggest land and air and also I'm the word yeah US okay yeah I remember all that you're like that's all I do need to do your internet it's time to make that happen %HESITATION %HESITATION %HESITATION my who am I who were any of those I'm a read I make a mistake or press free trade press %HESITATION I'm hopefully going to be weird camp organizer soon if they get through right and I hope it does leave no start %HESITATION yeah all I know is that when it happened but if I don't have to leave my own town I'm all for plus for her but you everybody Jason Coster a K. F. out my own way back of the building just happy to be here to talk about wordpress with you today are you on and Jason Tucker you can find your registered on Twitter my website is stations are gonna blog gonna do this show as well as on the should of you but I prefer you take a look at that we'll be recording next week so %HESITATION definitely on Thursday will be %HESITATION talk a little about social media marketing and all sorts of fun stuff like that so feel free to go take a look at that yes in calls for you literally ruined me for the day after looking at this amazing looking be caster %HESITATION microphone and I I I darn you during the free will talk about some stuff and then we start should these students some different links to each other and and I'm looking at this thing going yeah that's pretty cool so if we go take a look at the B. caster is pretty awesome he got a sponsor not once not an ad not an ad but no I I'm looking at this right now and was like oh my gosh this is this is my my next microphone so that's definitely your next microphone I'm not gonna still still your thunder no no Delaware there's more than one just that are there so both names were thirteen Jason then we can both have the same microphone it's all right single single white female that interest so %HESITATION look we're going to tonight %HESITATION tonight tonight today we're gonna be talking a little bit about well like community but not just community in the sense of just wordpress itself but rather all the different like sub communities that are in here that that are a part of the word Presque overall community or even this the web community but %HESITATION different you know different kind of small little %HESITATION things that are broken off that are either based on products or services or ways of life or whatever right same same but different that's always a call different only on separate so we as we approach this Wednesday well as you can see I am I am adorning myself with everyone like this is only some of the wild goose I just found a bag of walking so I'm just putting all the walk with god I will walk through the walk through community is definitely a %HESITATION a community within a community there is a whole group of people who are like I don't know if I'd use the word obsessed but let's say obsessed with Walker %HESITATION and %HESITATION so that's that's one of the communities out there that if you were you know just going to a work camp even in or if you just need a user the user wordpress %HESITATION you wouldn't even know that exists right like it when people talk like you wouldn't even know that that was something you could do like that you could go like you know get your walk %HESITATION on right anyway that's that's an example of this is a different example of that but a great example of that is for example what recount as %HESITATION or the or the the company that she works for at that has an entire world doesn't even have a name the new life yeah and that's what it is I just remember a couple years back yeah I'm going to wear camp %HESITATION see and sitting there and watching these like is like I I don't know if you guys have been to Disneyland recently or not for years but there's there's been this whole like Disney beings type of thing where be shows up with like these jackets it looks like a gang jacket and it has like you know they'll have like Cinderella on the back of it or whatever a letterman's jacket and not a no jacket it's literally only again jacket yeah some like the motorcycle colors right now like a model what took you community club type of things that are more cycle club but it was funny because we're sitting there and all of a sudden they usually give you people so I'm like cool like what I believe if you're wearing a %HESITATION %HESITATION motorcycle jacket or any sort of club jacket it's called rolling up if you roll up with multiple place that's what it's called it's not called coming up or anything you roll up if you've got all got the same jacket yeah but did he shows up in the start you know they they had their own events that they were doing there and they had so few things that were going on and they had they all started going to different you know different rooms that kind of support their people that were speaking and it was just the coolest thing to see that and and it's it's neat to see that you know right tell who's like essentially super community person is involved in that sort of thing so I don't know what you're going to bring to the table I think they already have everything Raquel but but you know it's ice on the is the team what are you even pay and you get a level of their games up okay let me tell you what we're gonna do no thank him to do it now remember seeing in this I I like and it's like her of animals they were all together and they're all wearing purple shirt like this meeting with Brandon doubles like lets you because I had no idea yeah I know it was it was actually just kind of contagious to watch them the guy was definitely a subset our community of the workers community but what I'm bringing to the table Jason is planning their first duty con move yeah yes yeah I wanna know when that is and not since June but hopefully twenty twenty not okay hold on I'm like next year but I really have a hard time with grasping the twenty twenty being next year thing like I just I like that in like five years for sure not but it but it is they community is awesome in since I already have lots of experience with Greenlee are requesting very happy that's exciting Debbie also has in addition to %HESITATION physical presence where they kind of getting a hope or whatever or you know our sub community within the community %HESITATION they have an extensive amount of website that are give me focus and if you landed on the site you would not necessarily rest realized that there is a that it's kind of build on something else you know it's all it's it's Debbie wordpress is there but it really had they %HESITATION own focus its own its own set of lightly a word press community has all these different websites and whatnot and Debbie has its own subset of those things it's got all sorts of different %HESITATION add ons and extensions that third parties are doing in addition to the main thing which you know I think the fact that the word press community is it is its own strong ecosystem but that it also is capable of supporting all of these ecosystems within that is one of the hugest strength like it really demonstrates the strength anyway of the community in terms of just how much is out there well absolutely I was gonna say I also outside of just that the Debbie community we have a few others that are fairly large are one that's been around for quite some time is %HESITATION the genesis community %HESITATION and everything around that I mean some of the first %HESITATION white word press blogs that were dedicated to an outside of just wordpress I remember reading were and Kerry deals like genesis related stuff on %HESITATION you know both great resource since I'm not only for wordpress but if you get walked into the genesis community would you well if you if you use it yeah absolutely and then there's also another will commerce community which %HESITATION you know as absolutely become it's own thing %HESITATION and and in its own right %HESITATION what was it's like a con Amazon com yeah yeah absolutely Hong Kong yeah they have their own chartered meet ups as well yeah there are tracks at work camps that are all wheel covers based %HESITATION so you know actual like dedication to having an individual right room set up for you just blew commerce talks leads that's a pretty big chunk of the community right there my I was just out %HESITATION work camps and Karina last weekend and they had a tire track on on Saturday sat up and dedicated to commerce related talks like nuts that's very common now we're camps next to sponsors actually want to certainly hopes that we know the level of coverage they want to sponsor just backtrack revenues for a recount since you know it won't erase all that yeah I know we'll commerce really has %HESITATION just like to be %HESITATION and and %HESITATION genesis has its own %HESITATION Sir it's got its own like %HESITATION extensions library it's got its own all these third party add on it's got a robust %HESITATION extension Adam view of the plug in plug in the plug ins for the plugin the medical again like what do you guys call them add ons extensions whatever I call them today like when you call them tensions are kind of interchangeable for me it just sort of go to wherever you know that the person is is more comfortable but it's they're they're kind of its interchangeable that's fine I feel like well anyway they have a giant robust %HESITATION add on class extension community which is actually interesting because I think sometimes people %HESITATION can be confused well I know people will be confused with what parts are will commerce and where those are coming from even differentiating between the fact that this is even though it's like four wheel commerce it's not by will commerce so there's this other I think that's probably an issue that comes up with the V. also people are like %HESITATION this is yours right like there's a certain website like Debbie spaces or whatever that you're like oh that's TV so it's Debbie and not to be it's someone else you know creating another ecosystem around AB so there's definitely be opportunity for confusion there amongst you know who's who's got what and I think with genesis and studio press that's actually still very confusing %HESITATION right now it now especially since their own it's it's all of the B. P. engine product so the level and and then %HESITATION so they have to be P. engine has %HESITATION you know free Janice S. for all of its customers so that's really even merging the blending the line between genesis and getting a like studio press jealous is our get like blending the line between genesis and wordpress because W. P. engine is offering it as just like another thing so if someone comes on and is a W. engine customer they don't even really need to or have the opportunity to differentiate between what those things are so I I think that %HESITATION it can definitely produce some user confusion if you're not savvy or even if you are he was like it's like a blessing verses the sanction verses the you know the it depends on how it's set up I guess and I think all of these things that you know we're open source community which means we can fork everything and we can do all the things we want with whatever it is that we want it all we look at it and go you know I want to do it this way I'm gonna go run off and do this which was which was pretty interesting with like on if you've ever looked at W. campus but in a ritual Terry is been doing amazing work with higher learning stuff with that that's not even technology based you know like it's it's more like the the higher learning part of it applying technology to that so yeah the it there's a there's plenty of those sorts of things and even like Yost con where they're being able to do like a bunch SCO show up and they all start talking about SCO stuff so there's a whole bunch of these different ones that are out there and you can just kind of you know find the thing that works for you and then run with it %HESITATION I'm I did want to mention before regarding the what we're talking about with with genesis is I think with genesis it's pretty smart because no one's going to go and like rally around a web host but now it's like this is what is so not true well why can't if people would start growing around them try I think I have a background in here somewhere I got a why we apply will want wants you to do that you know I mean so like you have to find I think it's smart for them to find those companies that are door already have that community and then kind of you know say Hey we'll we'll we'll help you out with some other stuff that kind of ties in with us so yeah smart stuff we we happen another thing and %HESITATION another example of this is with gravity forms in this is actually scandalous a couple years back and now it's just kind of settled weather with the %HESITATION like there's the grass so then gravity perks right the do a whole bunch of things and that's not from the same people who offer gravity forms that's a different different company and then that I believe who are the people who did the like just like us to the gravity forms of they like stripped the license and then just copied everything and said here's the free version I'm pretty sure it was grabbed so yeah I mean and they were like and here's the here's the free version of it we'll call it something else I want to say the name because I think I'm confusing to companies yeah probably yeah yeah %HESITATION yeah and they were basically like %HESITATION you know you can't sell this this program this software because it %HESITATION you know open source so that means we can take it you know and as long as we're using it with in the license we can re issue it to you and so they were actually I think they're still doing it %HESITATION reissuing that that plug in yeah there Rick we think we re purposing it so if you go to that plug in first you would never even know that it was a current fork of gravity for right I think it's interesting around this community is still a genesis I works with wordpress for a little over thirteen years now I had never actually wait hands or belts are Jennison site %HESITATION part of it is just because you know I'm I'm in my own way like it wasn't necessarily ever community that they killed me I saw what they were doing but also partially or can be straight out amongst friends and everybody watching I'm did genesis community like always resources were there and it was great it was also a little overwhelmed it was I mean there they had a lot of hooks and stuff it was just like it felt like this layer on top of the layer and I like what I'm you know going to do all this stuff why not just do it in the core you know so they were like here's easy hooks that are pre made but that there was definitely a genesis genesis was with designers so it was making easier way and this is you know what ways back making it easier for designers to do custom stuff with in teens and so without having to get into PHP and all that stuff so it was really answering a need now it just really feels to me like a layer on top of %HESITATION on top of wordpress that I personally never really viewed as necessary I I use usually viewed as like kind of like you know this extra stuff %HESITATION because then you have to have your your genesis theme and then your additional theme and had you know all this stuff that works specifically for genesis and I'm just like that's just too much stuff to update honestly I mean I think they're like who who wants that stacked like I think that is more for designers and and you need some dads who are managing and continually managing and maybe even hosting and holding the licenses for those clients because most clients are not gonna be here able to have that kind of double trouble license process going up there with the B. B. engine they don't have to have that to Debbie paean to really remove that but I actually think I said on this program win W. P. engine pot studio press that %HESITATION it seems to me that that was kind of an insurance policy for W. P. engine that if something happens to wordpress they would have they could build out that entity as %HESITATION its own thing they can basically fork wordpress into genesis as a you know when you're a big business with venture capital all that like everyone like you're building your building this business on what unsourced it take how %HESITATION yeah I think that there is definitely a business move like a longevity move in that not just he went to give you a nice but I just you know so I think and yes this is a question for Rick Carol it's it's as somebody working on community for for Debbie how do you make it so it's not overwhelming for a user exceeds like Hey there's all these great resources there's also how do you fight that is I'm I'm sure I'm I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who works at %HESITATION you know or vertical wake will commerce or or white DB or why genesis you got a man there's just there's a lot of stuff here all works useful but super overwhelmingly how do you find out %HESITATION if you're comfortable talking about that no it's okay %HESITATION you know yeah I'm not needed okay cool it's I think are really comes down to having worked there for them and not I swear I don't need necessarily you know the actual technical support but groups so basically groups and slack communities because we did need to page builder so it's already very simple you know it's you of course there are some things that pop up so it's actually something I do is call %HESITATION alternating curate their face the community and it later they're so there's lots of duty groups but this one is just for support and so the people coming all the time simple questions it can be anywhere from eight is seen as simple as you know coast versus page the very very beginning %HESITATION questions to like you know adding CSS you know for help just makes it even more but I mean I think the first step is just you know a page builder is something that you know somebody who's just a user that's that's all that's needed really for them it's just that you know we don't you know don't there's not designing from scratch in you know using so so that's the first step and then the second is to not just have the support act casual support where you can go you know world %HESITATION Rollins you can go and ask questions and the beauty of it is is that we don't have it they the moderators in the Facebook community or other just numbers so they're just volunteer trying any answer each other's questions so so that the next aspect is not just you know going to be able to ask questions just not just for the record I'm a fan of defeat in the in the back and back in the day you know I when I build on my things I scratched by scratch that yes Sir could you you know I was I was really %HESITATION you know in the heart and that's just not the case anymore and defeat especially good number was providing end pre pre built beaver builder but there's differences between those folders you know we're not talking about page builders but the DB really does have a solid %HESITATION at because of that community it's got so so many resources even just on the internet it's got like so many different to Torio site telling you how to do things and you know for some reason the folks in the DB community how are really good at explaining things in a way and I think maybe it's because they're not hardcore dance because it is it's almost Dr it's almost easier and more accessible especially to users it to read those types of articles and that type of information versus for example you know stuff answers that come from wordpress folks a lot because those tend to be really dead heavy and as opposed to user focus and so even just that kind of the community around it not being as developer focused %HESITATION focus makes it more accessible in my experience I absolutely agree there's something to be said about you know a hardcore developer and the weight that her son could tend to be and the way that they communicate and then somebody who's a user and and know some friend and dad you know and like if there's just this difference and I heard the points you don't stereotype but there really is like with that I actually tweeted about it so it was talking about someone on Twitter was like I said a thing they were like um I am building a site for dads does anyone have any great examples of Dennis site that design for dad and I was like just text you're fine people replying back I can't remember whether it'll be reply back and like I like to read like you know objected that stereo type X. ray just looked at my website never mind just kidding I mean that's the that's the real difference like the people who are using DB or even genesis they're looking at their site in a different way they're looking at their experience in a different way and having that sub community kind of pre filtered is is actually really helpful and and really does make it more acceptable yeah Debbie P. sessions is another one that I am that I was looking at %HESITATION mainly because the fact that they do word session every you know this every year every I think it's pretty much every year but their their their idea of having their do you have a community behind every few sessions where you have all these different great teachers that are talking and doing all the stuff on there but then they go and do this like big event where you know hop on you know Zoomer hang out or whatever and they'll use that as a way of being able to do a a sense a really long word cap and so having that that's another part of that community aspect of it is that you have those great teachers that are already out there and then you have people in the community there like I have something to say and they'll give you a you know a pot from the field to go and say it on yeah it could be said for this show I mean this show we've had you know last count was like three hundred and forty people if I remember right that have been on the show throughout the years so yeah no joke yeah wow so we had a we had a wondering where I where I met all these people I don't know on the internet and that's how they met you too he knows there's okay wrong I know people around the world that said the new state because the review article I'm cool real life I really exist yeah I am yeah I construct in case you were wondering I'm sure everyone is suspect since I never got a word can't anymore I was gonna say I I know we only have a handful of minutes left but there's also %HESITATION interestingly %HESITATION and it's been a community for a while and a lot of people don't think about maybe don't think about it this way it's the whole kind of business in wordpress unity C. have cross not Max you have on you know that whole angle there before they were rude commerce tracks there were you know full on like Sunday business traction particular word count center were kept away and once Downey I think I think Steve may have premiered that he would probably be like you didn't know it was and you go in and DO twenty thirteen I think we were all there yeah in a word camp indigo I think it was very sick with Mike %HESITATION inside he's not here cities everywhere in your in your right press not personal makes is definitely another and a good one which you know also kind of ties into a web host so you know I think I think to make web host look attractive you got to do other things other than just be a web us like you got other stuff going on as well so you know having Paisley come in and be like bone press omics are we go a carving out I mean it really is like that was such a targeted targeted talks targeted %HESITATION marketing even like in terms of who they were trying to get to come to that you know and even the price point was different in terms of you know it's not like it's not like a word camp where it's just you know forty Bucks or fifty Bucks it was you know a couple hundred and there's a different level of activity is there's more of a focus on networking so all of these different sub communities really answer different need like within that community and I think what I think is really cool is how almost I mean there's obviously competition but being able to respect all of these different communities and even like you know Debbie being able to respect all the stuff that popped up around them and you know gravity forms all this stuff this popped up around them and rather than resenting or going after those people to encourage them to build on top of your product actually strengthens your product and strength in that community and so I think that is that's something that I think is a little more pervasive throughout the entire wordpress community verses a lot of tact is that that I feel like the supporting role of those extra community it is appreciated verses resented in which I I think that it could be in other areas a hundred percent it was it you're fully believe 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