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WPwatercooler is recorded Friday at 11:00 am Pacific

Steve Zehngut, Mark Benzakein, Sé Reed and Jason Cosper discussed WordCamp Orange County 2019 its organizing crew and how well the event went. The theme this year was The Life Aquatic. They gave out Krochet Kids red beanies depicted in the movie. Sé mentioned WordCamp Long Beach #WCLBC and her involvement with that camp. The discussion changed to the Business Track that Steve ran on Saturday including 1.5 hours of content per session.

Steve shared their method of speaker selection and how they do the blind speaker selection method. He also mentioned how they invite people to talk at their event and how they fill in speakers for topics they want to have discussed. If you are wanting to speak you should submit early and submit a few. When many people submit the same topic sometimes they will form a panel to make it easier to get all of them involved in it. The popular topic this go around was project management second was SEO people trying to sell things.

The panel talked about the afterparty at Durty Nellies and how a fight broke out no WordCampers were involved but Steve did get hit.

Sunday had three tracks where the event ends with Plugin-a-palooza. Jason Cosper was one of the judges and spoke about the ways in which they judged these plugins. Here are the top three:

  1. Assistant – Every Day Productivity Apps
  2. WP Debugging
  3. Usher – Keyboard Shortcuts

WPwatercooler was at the event and held a session just before Plugin-a-palooza you can watch it here: EP319 – WPwatercooler Live at WordCamp OC 2019 #WCOC

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%HESITATION takes Jamal and and the rest of the team yeah we're gonna fantastic team because it does a great job every year yeah I I think that part of the reason is is that you guys have been a pretty tight came for a number of years so that is yeah and here's the thing with this team and I didn't know this when I signed up I can't I guess I kind of sort of did but %HESITATION you you can never leave right it's very much like a hotel California they are once once you are the organizer you're in for life right so yeah so %HESITATION %HESITATION Brandon Jeff who started %HESITATION the we're can't are still on the scene %HESITATION Dave our gal ski was still on the team this year I'm still on the team %HESITATION and so we're just collecting organizer's and that like where work camp Orange County one day is going to be there's going to be more organizing team members and there are actual attendees I think so yeah yeah source striving for yeah yeah it it'll be very Orange County and what 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that's what he would have done it it wasn't it wasn't as in your face is denizens of dragons %HESITATION last year but %HESITATION but it the very cool theme so so we really haven't seen anyway what was what was your what was your question well no I mean how do you decide feet like visual theme which is what you're talking about in terms of the life aquatic did you %HESITATION bring that in that visual theme into any of the components of the camper was it just the visual like the design well I think what a concept no we're just the visual theme this year so everything everything everything that we did that %HESITATION all slides all the screens on the printing everything was on brands and the teacher to the swag %HESITATION so so I was really cool %HESITATION yeah they they everybody seem to really love the beatings that was our big swag item this year %HESITATION is for the record you don't get when you can get it even though I can't really say I wasn't she technically ones the speaker of the cap she was sort of like Stanton's own window up on the screen I'm really glad you got back from the phantoms and say I'm I'm only kidding I will get your cleaning this was the beanie us here that has a special CSE tag on it and %HESITATION the bees actually hi Chrissie kids from the familiar Christian kids it's a it's a charity organization that %HESITATION brand and and Jeff I have worked with %HESITATION and they they actually eight if for anybody that has one I get it no it's not at all it's it's it's not it's not at all wow talk about taking the worst possible yeah that's like what no not at all this if you have one of these you can actually look at the tank inside and you can write a thank you note to the person who made the the beanie for some kit it's not his shaking the whole I understand yeah yeah well here's the thing say you're giving if that once kids you're giving them a very valuable life you know if if you want more information on this look at Croche kids spelled with a K. crochet kids online this is a pretty cool organization which part which which which is what twenty K. croquet both they can't it starts with a C. but the crochet starts with a K. all right but Chris Shays okay so what my original question was about team but I am excited about that because we are %HESITATION talking %HESITATION my first time as well I was kind of on the LA X. organizer team but only like ancillary organizer because I just do the after party %HESITATION there wasn't really involved in all the logistics and what not but I am going to be I am on the team for where camp Long Beach a B. 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BC in the house %HESITATION and %HESITATION I'm excited to be a part of like the %HESITATION kind of the the the whole thing and so right now we're talking about you know our our team for talks like how the tracks go with all of that so I'm I'm curious as to this year for work imports county camp usually sell out and in the past there's been like not just two tracks but like three tracks right like how many times did you have this year three yeah three tracks like that's that's a pretty hefty %HESITATION let so yeah we had our to %HESITATION main %HESITATION tracks which are sessions and then we had a discussion track in the conference room and that was %HESITATION yeah it was pretty discussion truck was pretty full on I let the %HESITATION estimate mercy on in the morning which social media mastermind or carry %HESITATION which we %HESITATION hello over it with you we %HESITATION we did last year we did it again this year %HESITATION officially Bob Watson who normally leaves that leads that had to leave town %HESITATION %HESITATION so it was an do it says I stepped in right I am I was floating through all the tracks on both days and %HESITATION that that discussion was pretty full on most of the time so that was it was nice what does that entail like a panel kind of you know the discussion track is is more of a it's more interactive so the other rooms are meant to be traditional sessions right forty five minute sessions session right tracks or an hour and a half it's really just meant to be %HESITATION someone leading a discussion about a certain topic if for instance %HESITATION Chris Ford but a a discussion track about project management %HESITATION like here's a presentation and heroes it's like you're not what do you think tell me your thoughts it's really go in there with questions and and and and all the information out of that person's had %HESITATION and so it's their E. they're they're there to give you give the attendees you know that what they're looking for I have a MA yes as many people do sessions or reggae Roach okay okay yeah so when we when we open up speaker submissions we let people know this is the format and so let us know what you're thinking yeah and T. is this a traditional session of war is a discussion track isn't panel you know what a you know what what he wanted and so we we ask that people submit their talks that's nice I missed that in a call for speakers because I absolutely what I've done one for you know performance or or what have you that apply yeah yeah I I may have just made all that up I don't know if that's actually what's in it will be next year no I know I know it's there and then %HESITATION yes that's what happened on Saturday we had tracks on Sunday but Sunday you know I'm still asking questions about Saturday okay so in terms of you got your discussion track which is like a %HESITATION your other two tracks were you did you choose %HESITATION %HESITATION talks based off of like a specific concept or were you just like the sound interesting was it was there a beginner component or was there like this more like what where did the talks kind of land in terms of %HESITATION topic yes still %HESITATION V. worry if there is %HESITATION we %HESITATION yeah we we do really that the speakers that apply %HESITATION and so it does go through a pretty rigorous process when when we when you would get all the applications and so we do first to a a blind vote on the on the %HESITATION topics and let's see without knowing who the speakers and and we we actually do take that very seriously and then we go in it and we look at the speakers that we chose this on topic %HESITATION we see who has %HESITATION past speaking experience %HESITATION who might have a YouTube channel if anything we can find on on on somebody we can try to look at how the how the sense %HESITATION but we also get a mix of some new speakers well right so we don't we don't just take experience speakers and so we're looking at you'll get personality we're looking at how they how they presented their topic on things like that and so we really try to get a good mix of speakers and the yes your question about you know the range of topics is we we really try to get a mix of a beginner %HESITATION developer design in business topics all rolled into one %HESITATION once we have all that we do we do sort of put the cards on Wall and and try to make sense of it right try to tell story with each of the tracks as always work out that way but but there is something for everybody at the working poor so I will try question I I have a question about the speaker selection thing where they say the blind the blind speaker selection so how many times because you've been in that we're pressed me for quite awhile you know practically everybody right now there have to be some topics that you look at the weather you know %HESITATION you know you may not know who's gonna do it but you look at the topic and you say all that has to be so so because this uniquely that person how how much do you find that going on in the in the blind %HESITATION the blind selection process he I mean this it depends on the year right hands I mean yeah sometimes like to read a top and go yeah that's because law yeah right so %HESITATION and sometimes people put their name right into the description of the time so and and we're pretty good about stripping out as many as you can sometimes slips through right %HESITATION it's so put the blinds process we actually do take that very seriously is the initial process is blind now in addition that I will let you know a little secret %HESITATION and I think everyone does this there are a couple spots that we reserve for that we invite right so we do we use save a couple spots for people that we want to hear or topics that we want to hear and we will match somebody with that topic and so we would you come up with a list of of speaking topics that we kind of want to hear and if we don't get submissions on that will fill me in on as as we go exclusive to work camp Orange County I've seen that happen that happens at almost everywhere yeah yeah so you know it and depending on the year you know %HESITATION you when we do the blind selection will get you know you might get a hundred submissions and fifty those or not fifty but twenty those might be about the exact same thing depending on what's going on we're cancer community right the the advice I can give you if you're if you're somebody talks is submit as early as possible because what some can't do I see this is bill just put the borings list in the order that in which they were received so if there's twenty Greenberg talks and you happen to be the first one you might get selected over the last one key is at that point thing it okay how many more Gutenberg talks to have to review right right now we do something different we we randomize what date so it doesn't work it in Orange County but I've I've been on on those tales for a word cans were just date order SO submit as early as you can if you think about so you're working well and and I will tell you having organize a couple were camps and and pick speakers myself %HESITATION there's all I don't know if this happens at Orange County but there's also that where you have two people who have very close to the same topic or even exactly the same topic and you really only what that topic covered once so then you look at who it is and you're like okay well you know this is a known quantity this one isn't so we're gonna take this on over that one so that I and that's that's what I've seen happen and and and sometimes it doesn't happen this year sometimes the past we've done is taken a few people like we we've had that happen always say okay this is a topic vis two or three people would all be good at speaking at this topic and we formed pale in yeah yeah I think that's a great way to handle it question what did you see as themes that a lot of people were writing about this year in your speaker application yeah there was it's Han on project management that was the running the right thing and and and it's way more project management talks and we can handle what do you think that's right I I I had no idea there was just a ton of project management solutions and then like every year you always get the sales the submissions SCO right next year experts and people wanting to generate more money with your blog right stuff like that so we just kind of like those out medically those those rarely get through %HESITATION the SCO guy we had come this year on the discussion track yes you did submit but but we we we we chose has specifically based on his experience because he knew we we we knew he wasn't there for sales purposes you know a lot of times I see %HESITATION talks to just try to sell you something so a lot of times I see I was just trying to sell you something yes yeah and it but only but only a lot of times we had from pathfinder CEO and and he he did great is that that would that session tracks specifically was standing room only I think it's like that topic is important like all the time it's obviously vitally important for people's clients for people right but it is such a like it same kind of thing with social media it's just so marketed up that it it really you know it's also big echo chamber a lot of people just repeating the same things over and over but I I I I feel like it's a lot of that like it now I'll tell you something and then sell you something a little bit later in be careful for like snake oil salesman yeah exactly and yeah I'm not you know man take myself a little bit but in the market really to this you know the %HESITATION yes I reset at the rock yes the %HESITATION person him right used to be the desktop publisher right right that work was out you know anybody can get a publisher that right nothing right and it it might I I I know how to I know how to open court but see that's the problem is by the time a person is a seasoned enough and and wise enough to know the good SCO people from the bad SCO people right Dave practically done enough research to be able to do it two is the sort of shit out because it is so hard to tell because like you said you have these people that are parroting what everyone else is say %HESITATION they sound like they know what they're talking about but then you hire them and six months later a year later you're like my numbers don't look any different I just spent a hundred thousand dollars or whatever on SCO and and what's that %HESITATION injuring at to estimate I don't know because you because I have a look I see no yeah I've seen I've seen as CO changed over the years like crazy and of course anytime Google comes up with a new algorithm people are like okay now we got to figure this out again yeah but have a desktop publishing that change %HESITATION desktop publishing has changed that now call web development got it yeah yeah well anyway so then then then there was a what do you all do did you go to dirty now you can do your karaoke thing for your after all you got to talk about dirty Nelly so don't do it don't put me on the spot lately it's your favorite part the aid it normally is there was what happened there was an incident this year yeah like the car incident no had nothing to do with us it had nothing to do with with the word campers but a fight broke out Alex with another group that was there %HESITATION and %HESITATION %HESITATION the police were called all right yeah it ended it ended my night a little early %HESITATION and so %HESITATION yeah okay list after the %HESITATION karaoke guy AT and there was a new that we didn't have we didn't have cabins we had we had Jerry Okey %HESITATION he was sub par and as soon as the fight was done he said okay next up is right the knowledge that it happened armed but several of our of our %HESITATION organizer's and numbers had to step in and and just sort of protect everybody that was there it was it was the deals thank I well I took a shot to the face and you like it I was right you've got but like did you start the fight no no I was just trying to tip to push the fight away from our group the end he was right next to us anyway yeah it is a very small place we will beat that problems did you have any like a group party thing like that in that's not like a yeah yes that is that it's because no one's fine wordpress community that yeah so what will it was a first for us we've never had a problem a thirty now he's right in all of our years of doing the after party there and I don't know that I've ever heard of a work camp after party fight no you know later yeah creepy drunk did you know you look I've I've heard of work camp after party posts trolling but that's about as far as that goes you get it wasn't our group of something that happened and I think our take away the organizer's there take away was next year then you we will be sharing we'll be sharing a venue whether it with anybody and we're gonna do whatever we can to bring back Kevin yeah you can just read our guide yeah yeah we see we tried we tried so hard this year to make that happen it just didn't happen well I had a I didn't hear anything about that which is yeah and yeah we we kept it pretty it it it it you know we kept it %HESITATION sort of under control it wasn't our group was nobody from our group it's just something that happens so adrenaline rush so I was that yeah your little organ and like doing stuff all day and running candles all this stuff and then you're like well I have a lot of I have a lot of juice left in here yeah there's yeah there's there's there's nothing like %HESITATION there's there's nothing like having them try to break up a fight to to %HESITATION click to get on to %HESITATION so re up really fast so now now Steve I didn't I'm not sure I got all the facts but wasn't the fight between like some guy tried to like it what you want and you want to do all of this to you yeah I think I worry is like the best story well yes yes yes it was yeah it was a man finding a woman yeah St woman yeah yeah wow that is at his at his engagement party but it is Beyonce no no no she and she ended up %HESITATION once everything is over I think she thought I was involved in came over for drinking so that would it was a good way to end it yeah well the day's work for free speech it's just like work yeah it's just it's just something that happens well the main thing %HESITATION and then the next day that's all anyone could talk about probably actually no you know I interested to the crown double told everybody what happened just in case they were hearing things and we moved on like we yeah is it was it was a non issue it was that you know it was it yeah if it'd been if it had been a we're camper that fits started the fight which I can't seem to have any then we got a thing but it wasn't a thing you literally and all right yeah literally completely all of us are that it was not even if I would like over there you like yeah that's not us it's just it's just not yeah that was me when I heard about it first thing Sunday morning was when I heard about it I left like ten minutes before it happened and that was exactly the first question that I asked was there's no way that it was a work camp it had been one of the other that yeah but then I heard Steve with throwing punches I'm like whoa it's going to be anyone in working up it would be driving and driving Campbell something morning it's the same I said I said I said I think we need to address this because by this point the rumors we'll yeah one out of proportion and I'm gonna walk into somebody's gonna say to you I heard you kill somebody last night yeah right right yeah yeah yeah yeah many so anyway they what was different about Sunday %HESITATION topic and approach wise than Saturday was it one track two track three checks same thing second there was so that was the three tracks but as you know on Sunday well we and our winter tracks early so that we get everybody into plugin palooza which is our big event on some which was awesome I fear which was awesome this year flea off yeah two one and tell us Alex obviously Alex Afghans with your host who's just the hostess with the mostess out who's hosting and we have one of our judges here with us yeah so judge absolutely yeah because there's always a jog I knew he was judging well I he he's he was very good he was awesome customers are resident big foot up there on the %HESITATION on the stage yeah I I I don't know why I don't know why I said that I but we cut the surgeons would cost first got bowling %HESITATION Natalie maclean's increase for us we added a judge this year not only is she %HESITATION yeah we're a couple times for calling in clues yeah yeah and and that only not only brought a lot of expertise around accessibility and Java script yeah store certainly need it which was awesome there was there was a little bit worried that we might because there was four judges we might actually get to choose it was it was really hard to judge the competition this year but competition what were the finalists so the %HESITATION there was six so we started with ten wind up with six plugins to tough competition we got him you gotta put together a full plugin in two months %HESITATION and so %HESITATION it was %HESITATION six plugins ended up %HESITATION being judged %HESITATION and then the three final %HESITATION the three winners were number one was on the beaver older guys seventy plugging called system %HESITATION yeah that's pretty cool what it does yeah we we do we do we we have a it's a it's a second place was %HESITATION Andy fragen that right customer so any fragrance plugin and then third place was through James what were the second and third plug and what did they do AMD's plugin custard refresh your memory on when he's playing in the US and again was expected we just an easy way to flip debugging and show %HESITATION you know basically make sure that things are and said you fucking messages are getting through to the main part of your site %HESITATION and then there are three keyboard shortcuts forget yeah right send your big keyboard shortcuts in Hotmail person at uses all of those I actually really like to drew's a lot I thought it was pretty I mean the company competition was really really serious is here I mean yeah but he had a chance on just to clarify if you're saying it like a nut shell basically it %HESITATION does what who what one it the beaver builder assistant I looked at I and I was like I'm not sure what this is doing it's essentially the dashboard reimagines right so it's %HESITATION it's a it's a a short of the quick version of the wordpress dashboard a man he's very very quickly what's up it's like a friend and like dashboard right like that no well I think it I can't remember its front end but I I only played with in the dashboard itself %HESITATION and it's it's actually built as a platform so they have ways of extending it building models for it it's pretty cool this was there Alfa launch and %HESITATION %HESITATION it is pretty pretty I it was it was nice to the point where like you can show this to somebody who is basically cut our teeth on a you know couple be able to be heard over an assistant and a short to somebody who is that %HESITATION square space for the past few years or something like that and they wouldn't even have to touch yeah I've been basically at all if you have the the site center for %HESITATION it's it's basically a nice more user friendly %HESITATION back and for the site but yeah yeah it was way cool anyway look at the time we are over at %HESITATION actually over by men I know I have to cut you off otherwise what's going on yeah yeah you guessed it runs fine anyway thank you all for being on the water cooler today I'm gonna do my best to try to end this broadcast %HESITATION but just keep smiling as if we're you know sent

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