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00:16 Space after italics gets deleted when using keyboard shortcut·Issue #12529
00:22 Block Lab – Custom Gutenberg Blocks Made Easy!
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was there a party for three hundred and one was there like some big huge you know thing %HESITATION yeah we totally did it we didn't hit record I'm sorry you missed it it it just yeah we party it was our party but instead we're doing we're doing that we're doing a block party %HESITATION just for just for the whole %HESITATION %HESITATION getting we're doing a holiday block party today we get everyone interviews to Jonathan how the government representing north Idaho abrupt bad thanks so so is it the joker like we apologize for potato quality or something %HESITATION I had some good friends this morning hello six Saito they have a yield does by yourself %HESITATION what about me though for reals and member now yeah I wouldn't you know love hate what I %HESITATION my name is Dave Reid and I make a Christie progress we progressed %HESITATION at the media on all the things and I wanted to give my own Instagram plug today I never click we ever talk about Instagram we usually talk about Twitter and I just on the show I'm on the twin it's not not really I like sporadically on the Instagram %HESITATION asking your set good luck stuff yeah each E. 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S. at some point this was supposed to be like the secret the secret secret of dead Twitter account that I kept linking to and you kept getting mad at me about well I didn't say go to grace's Twitter account they said go to you didn't wait for the check that out I have either been says and pins and could you tell Jake S. figured anymore I've got plenty of readers everywhere for a moment if you want to see some really good photography work you should check out mine there were not plugging Instagram we're plugging our content on Instagram Instagram not need our help Sir Jonathan I'm uninspired cartographer it's also an aspiring night what is expiring means in that context like you just if you think about thinking we are things you can let's just say I hope you will be too disappointed %HESITATION I I work really hard for the photos that I take these green hair yeah George sells well yourself close we are okay with the height man flash intro track if his random stop because the market occurs for Jason's sake are and if you could tell I am ready for the holidays I am just going to go hide happy festivus everybody happy festival so I that's the best portable grieving is Sunday all right round the separate podcast for the airing of grievances can't all right now home now to east coast and pinned me to the floor in the feats of strength okay I was like well done %HESITATION the feats of strength I forgot about that part I really focus on the airing of the grievances we now effect the **** the feats of strength there was a I'm Susan Tucker defy me over and %HESITATION my website is do some talk about blog my Instagram is at Jason Tucker before you go take a look at that too and %HESITATION and %HESITATION I do know the show here called to be people out before you go take a look at that and lastly %HESITATION we are probably sponsored by server press makers a desktop server was a thank you very much for them for helping us out with doing this live stream we use zoom now for do not live stream stuff because many cost money the first time that you know something actually cost money for a water cooler size like okay finals will will will %HESITATION we'll see if we can get some help for that I want to say thank you very much for them for helping us out with that and now we're also streaming live on Twitter on YouTube as well as on Facebook so I everybody but not Instagram but not Instagram not yet so much he was George's Instagram I have no idea that's like it it's like that I have no idea George the finest now are you frequent so we don't we don't care George the finest okay do you like Google that I've got like two photos from the last two years so all right now you should add one right now use on principle and well being contrary let's that's different lets you delivered yeah this is so this morning I got an email from one my web hosts one of the many web host but one of my web hosting at one of my websites %HESITATION failed the the upgrade %HESITATION to work press and I was like well that's fine that's going underground so I dug around in there and just let you know folks just because you claim that your web developer and just because you claim that you're an admin of of wordpress see things %HESITATION it may help at one point you probably go in and update some of the old plug ins that are in there well %HESITATION so you know this is a PSA just what you know you should definitely go in there and do a backup of your website and then %HESITATION push update all the things that have it update all those things and then update your press N. seal I'm here do you guys actually do the back ups now I have a web host that does it not make %HESITATION I mean like that whole process of like backing up right because like a lot of people said I said lots of times I find that I often don't actually do like I don't back up my stuff before clicking upgrade like if it's now that the client side yes absolutely for my own projects legs are gonna get my the only one I've got my back up back up because I am an error in Noida about losing data especially when it's other people's data from my data I'm kinda carefree about it which is probably annoying but like within as well as other people's data I even go on you've ever get W. P. engine I will go do a manual checkpoint back up before I do anything even though there's a backup when no one such the site I don't even care when not just back to back up I'm obsessed would you like backups would buy back out I like back up so I was backing up my back ups with my back ups that were the in being backed up to the so my so slowly but surely my UPS were going like this implies because I was backing of the backups are being backed up and you don't %HESITATION %HESITATION %HESITATION I don't I don't do that well I I I figured out how to do like you bill exclude folders in addition so what happened so %HESITATION yeah I believe %HESITATION up like the website was just like %HESITATION this is all jacked up so that was my morning today like you know all those throw those for people that are trying to look at my cat blog I gotta make sure this thing works and I know you know on a cat so I was like %HESITATION that let's see if I get this going here and so that's a log that trends past %HESITATION the four point nines with the five point no and and things working right now nice so I had to say do the four nine nine okay yeah I was I think it was probably on I don't remember what it was which was I'd probably end of the B. engine %HESITATION went fine but it was really funny because I was like startled because like we did back up and I was like and then it was like is four nine nine and it was you know that we are like reversed back up name Chris I just think that's really funny right funny yourself it is hilarious here for your color commentary what do you say did you know what I need the vacation my brain is fried I and I mean it's been a crazy cogent coating bins for like the last six months trying to get a major piece of software out the door compatible with anything I mean so why would you ever suggest such a thing shrewdly talk matic just like I like to take the quiet religion the very sight about couldn't work and how it's gonna be playing out across wordpress space well no no no we're all excited about your great you just your energy levels like we're excited about Cooper and some great we sleep for just like a little bit just like to say what day of the week to do the podcast on Friday yeah we do it on Friday it's awesome you want energy talk me on a Monday or Tuesday %HESITATION see we used to do Mondays and it it didn't work out yeah I love you just the way you are George perfect nine tell us about your favorite books because that's what we're really supposed to be we're supposed to be like block it out right so I mean I I I clearly don't have the same like sort of back up he says that you guys did not probably by sometime but I'm I'm sorry I'm like I'll just like so I've been running good Burke for a while I'm so happy about the five point oh jumped into it %HESITATION I I don't really like doing would you like to look at it like a polygraph like no right I can't because I love so I haven't played personally with the blocks very much I have focused on it as a writing like this said didn't just needing to be a lot more right in I've like that my gripe today is using the %HESITATION talx like when I'm actually right on the keyboard %HESITATION using command died to shift the italics and go back like it's not smooth I have to go back and like select things at cetera so I I've been feeling like on the one hand I'm happy to be generally an early adopter of things then so it like it doesn't it doesn't sob Walker it's not something I would use it on the other hand it makes me nervous about people who have early adopter tolerance and those people so natively use command I on there keep acting as if they're not there already stopping and selecting and clicking so you're probably going to be okay about to that end you know given that you're you know does and all that have you look to see if that's in the ticket my next thing does that a lot but does it annoy each like does it bother me enough to wonder if it will be off like a dress or should I say something about it I don't know here I'm talking about a I guess but I here's my opinion and then of course we should ask George because he's you know that's right a %HESITATION is that those types of things could be also connected to other things right to something that simple on the surface this is a little blip it might seem annoying could actually be something that's a little more systemic possibly so I think it's always good to say those things and %HESITATION but if course I would also say you should search exhaustively first because the noise is that that the same thing being filed multiple times for like an italic thing %HESITATION but with search terms are going to use to search for does I telex work in wordpress and it's gonna be like of course it does not know what I mean it would be like off the you know in the in the and it would be not written by people asking about italics so you would probably be able to you know find something that was at it already been covered I just script look the consul real quick see for those narrow when you do and that you know and you're like oh like somebody misses some my colon awesome and now if you know your you know your core can you get you get you get listed I was I I actually listed as a contributor five point no I was like why I don't understand and then I had done some %HESITATION when semi colon did the whole thing backing Gutenberg so it was yeah yeah I will I will go I'll see if I could back and issued if not I'll do this will be Alex now to some degree yeah everyone should report report it if you see something this is the wordpress new slogan if you think that they that they underline this Adeline or bowl do the same thing to her now I haven't tested those %HESITATION I probably over use italics my writing yeah thanks for the other punctuation %HESITATION font styles really but anyway so you're just using it to write George to be built any new shiny things you got your hello Dolly done yeah the tarot card block conduct their stuff and you're in the state of the word yeah so like I don't know why you'd want to do that like something like that would be that the thing of it he said something about the date find out how the but the future looks like so let's pull up a cigarette I think that's really it like this is good it is any sort of road map card we when we do we do when we did our mystery science theater three thousand %HESITATION interpretation of %HESITATION of that we were watching it and streaming at and other terror card came up and Bridget goes like who would build that it all right George it's George one of our people yeah I've I've been getting just to kind of report back I've been getting a steady stream of Facebook messages from old clients %HESITATION every couple of days so what can we put questions that I'm getting a lot of %HESITATION excuse me %HESITATION I have that is why he has to have a maintenance contract crime have all your questions for you at it today is likes like search small business people and answers that question Facebook messenger %HESITATION but hello this is say by here to answer your question what are your Google them yourself he set up a bot for that it's like if the if they say a word press of the finger splint should be I love the new editor it can cause some problems if you haven't updated your theme check it out thank you bye no innovative reporting but so I found someone who reported that they did a good job %HESITATION will drop the now what's it called well as real time follow up in in the biz through this is real time follow up you should ask your chorus no well that's the question what's actually helpful at this point because %HESITATION me too I have the same issue like is is that actually helpful you're piling on she they love killer man's I'm gonna go with that he does but did kill a man %HESITATION yeah it looks pretty thorough way right now are literally reading but reports right now on Batman and killer man %HESITATION gosh I don't know don't listen here's the question for like just yeah then reported and it's thorough so you did a good job and I'm a prison that's the case looks pretty similar what's the appropriate like I've now subscribe to be notified it's %HESITATION so like that's a good sign but now what's appropriate my first what is appropriate here it would be helpful to know that multiple people are experiencing this problem so my instinct is that I would do that I would read it carefully see if there's anything that I can add in terms of steps to reproduce and then say Hey just one point I I'm I'm having the same issue and maybe my environments different so I might add that if there's anything different about my environment I mean the only other thing I can say just because it gets really annoying when you have like twenty people all saying you don't want to if there was like one reply saying yes is happening to me too note anyone else I want to say is happening to them to add a thumbs up reaction on to this comment to consolidate all of a similar problem so like her like this so put mine an offer at the ends like anyone else would say the same thing just react she instead react G. yeah reacting emoji react E. %HESITATION I think that's great what %HESITATION there's not any %HESITATION I think that's something that you know is the plus one feature or that like kind of a boat feature and that's not something that is %HESITATION really thanks part of this search right I don't think so you have does yeah yeah sound like an idiot because I like most of the top %HESITATION top right there's like a little emoji icon you can add a reaction my screen was covering it I totally look again have all the time so so so far try that that's great but as people are having like that's the thing though it's like what what is that will become the tipping point because I'm not sure about what would motivate enough we had talked about to actually go find the issue %HESITATION but it's you know contributor in the space as a person who is active in all states right like isn't that the strain fear so like isn't you not saying that lake near me out not using in this is kind of like not voting or like you know not calling your congressperson if you feel strongly about something and just like kind of opting out like in in the wordpress sense yeah I mean like you're like up yet that's the thing and then like you know not actually participate which I totally didn't so I'm a total right to shine some light on it because I I think you're right leg it can this is the episode that makes a difference like I my career got started in this space by like people helping me figure out how to do a word press integration and I decided then write about its answer sure here's what I learned in that experience right like yes it's extra effort but it's not that much effort and often times it's easy to stick in our own heads like %HESITATION you know someone else is going to address this and this is part of why I raise it because not necessarily because everyone thinks that then it might not get address that all yeah no I agree I end into figure out especially when it comes to something like this where is a pretty a pretty basic %HESITATION a pretty basic type of thing that that's %HESITATION it's like a very %HESITATION it's just it's just like in inside marks off word I always think of like is a bold italicized underscore a you should know how to use these things it's it's super easy to do so by highlighting some text and then clicking on the I. telic button or pushing a rather you're doing the command II that this is not working and then what happens after that you're like well wait now I'm not getting the space after it what's going on with this and you kind of digging further into it totally worth reporting and I think other people armed you to build the kind of go through and report these sorts of things as well I'm inspired those little things that are what the average person will judge as like that type of stuff should be smooth right like it's not the you know whether the blocks compatibility on this thing but that's not the type of thing that the average user is going to notice I mean unless the whole site is broken in the transition which is different but like this is the type of thing buggy or %HESITATION it's just one TV or %HESITATION I can't make that work right and that's that's ready this isn't just like you know on its yeah we should have that that's what kind of people so that level marcado thank you I and and those expectations being met that's really important yeah sorry about my dogs sorry thank you that's bad because that little I really like your writing experience I'm really intrigued by like some friends of mine to build something called block lab which I think is fantastic and having conversations with them about like and it's interesting like what's going to happen next in the one is a bit of a concern the back of my mind it's like we're gonna have this this explosion of blocks that is really valuable for the end user %HESITATION it's just it's just like a little like Belding in I think there's I'm I'm optimistic a lot a lot of these things but we're gonna see a lot of change in the next little bit into muzak same thing with custom post types while pro said %HESITATION there's a B. disclosure of custom both sides the could be fifty different events post type that are more gonna use none of your change forms like wall you yeah yeah but a couple of new line of winning out and then that's what everyone uses and that's fine just part of what I love about wordpress right like this like open you don't really like ultimate I'd like to see a little bit more %HESITATION like I would make it easier for people to use best practices in lecture yeah but but not forced rented part of what's beautiful about wordpress is that like he like people can can do what they want with it adding that's SO it's interesting like how do you bring and structure and better practices to things when you and it really has to be merit base people have to want to do it it's an interesting challenge for us is an ecosystem and as we get ready to like I I was talking my friends at walk about it and say okay so what what are you gonna do with this like who you focus are you focusing on developers to make it easier for them to create blocks and knew they so we'll focus on agencies okay that makes sense %HESITATION but you can where where do you go with this like merry about the user experience what happens if I could users now has a bunch more blocks it with the interface I mean I think we are going to see an explosion of blocks it's different than custom post types it really is and blocks are especially as we get into phase two going to be even more you know I mean I don't even know what that looks like or what that conversation going to because it just I don't even think about it but the you know there's already a bunch of kind of like block repositories out there that are competing which is like that the next team forest can deliver wants to be the next theme for us to the next %HESITATION dean forest essentially %HESITATION at but code canyon that's the other one is trying to remember which is the same company but date that had that explosion without those standards you're talking about and that created the theme options badness that created the %HESITATION %HESITATION I I know the folks in bottle right like a lot of people really yeah things I've seen is this sort of like this one upmanship of like steam authors where it's like this began this driver like we got a pack in the kitchen sink is this is what people are demanding and then we had this major from my perspective I'm kind of like painting in broad strokes doesn't apply to everyone Frasco about about us major dating in performance and security because now so what we don't care about those that's all we use or wanted to buy and and I get it like %HESITATION you know it's it's and then of course people's tastes change now they want these other things it cetera NEC anyway it it's interesting challenge because that's on these things take off in a big way and I got a million sites with the theme deployed the major security issue major performance issues and it makes wordpress look bad mechanism for about %HESITATION themes and plugins and stuff cell I'd your call %HESITATION I think it was back when Jeff was still there are these are trying to push through like awesome wordpress theme requirements guidelines and what not like the first time they tried to push it there was all this push back make unity and like the only likely visual composer and everything with the best gets pushed back when it tries to put stuff in the repossession imagine deep forest got pushed back from a thing that it's you know taking money from people for right like how do you ultimately help encourage better behavior but without forcing it and the best thing the best including I reach is that you have to help the users care about it in a in a way to actually ask them and they will drive because of suddenly the users like well I want like I want better code quality my stuff they don't have a way of measuring that but if they they recognize that performance matters and security matters then I think like developers will follow now some developers already do but they just don't they are getting the same traction as those who are like %HESITATION anywhere that it can be frustrating I why right great called I don't buy my stuff so it's it's still it's been wild west beat even in that the world and it was finally I think kind of like walking down and now we've added here is that right wild west yeah like those Este yeah and now it's it's good burger is like we discovered a whole new friend here it's like it's not an ocean there there's a whole bunch more land %HESITATION and you know everyone's just kind of land grabbing I feel like right now with all of you know well they've been land land grabbing but now we're going to see now that it's out and everything were see how the how it all comes out in the wash and how do people I think it's more likely get black lab people there like how do people want us to do who want to use us like that's that's a lot of the Gutenberg people I think are listening or they're like what what should be do you want us to bring what pleasure agreement you're talking a wild westie now Peter Westwood is not while the is a very sh man may lead to life full human being I will not sit right now you tarnish his good name by calling him why old westie I don't all he's going to six lead dubs on the project that that was like that I'm like I don't totally don't get that reference I don't know who to be bringing the latest he I think you can get it like I'll gore actually did amend the internet that's actually pronounce that is al gore pronounced him right now okay I'm very excited to see what happens like I I love the I love the wild west miss a word press and the innovation that allows I think as we grow as a platform is an ecosystem as like an operating system for the web there needs to be we need to up our game but in a way that's not I think it should be merit based right like how how to make it easier for people to apply better practices and help users be educated about those things it's like the harder path but I think also increases the better outcome so I'm I'm excited to see what happens next me too I can't wait to see which things float to the top and which things are you know kind of forgotten like which fork is still around and twenty ninety eight like next year is there not like which one's going to make it we should like to a betting site study legal should not do that %HESITATION but we should definitely put general people's but on which is the four X. last past like six months ten months can be funny yeah it would be my first time ever doing a fancy football but it's not football it's a beautiful like that's the beautiful thing about workers they will last what will they have adoption people keep using I mean I mean to do that plugins at three years old in the repo cat is lasting I mean the last big someone could take them up again right that's thing but GPL %HESITATION but were yeah you can adopt it where's the passion L. I need to know measure passion I think we're we have one minute left but I think we're in a space now we're like you know when the new iPhone came out it's a new like the the size of it was different and it was like it just hang out everyone rushes to Best Buy to go find like the look he said they want to buy an air bed had to buy that one case and you're like oh man I got that one clear case there's no other cases just as one click case and you're waiting for the rest of the companies to start putting out their stuff that's where we're at right now with and in doing that block at the dean type stuff is like we're we're all downloading the same plugins going like yeah like all these cool blocks there are going to be some really ridiculous the call box out there at first yeah when we first saw beaver builder we first saw Davey when we first all these things were like wow this is this is the future just wait you're gonna see some amazing blocks show up and everyone's gonna be talking about these is the only things to use with that I want to say thank you very much for all not with us and %HESITATION and I some folks in the chat room that's awesome room I really we have chat rooms all over the place saying those people you need to link me I will now only later you have a good